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blast off on another vip episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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just south of area 51 my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you an epic episode tonight we

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have

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well it's pretty spooky dark reading and

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it's called global

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death cult that's right we have william

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ramsay back for his second time

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and i thought he nailed it with the

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smiley face

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killers which was an amazing documentary

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an amazing

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investigative journalism adventure

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really

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and dark as well but this is beyond

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anything i ever imagined his most recent

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book

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global death cult i don't want to give

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too much away

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before we get into the mix also

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without further ado

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william ramsay welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast my man

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brian how's it going yeah epic epic book

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my man i was worried

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you know that i would not be able to get

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into the book

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given the dark subject matter but i

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could not put it down

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the occult aspects of the q9a which i

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had never heard about and i

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i kind of thought i had a pulse on

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everything weird

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but that really drew me into the reading

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which

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if if i can read a quick example for the

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listeners would that be okay

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yeah please go ahead and read it okay so

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like

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yeah the occult aspects so i mean the

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o9a

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the order of nine angles the name of the

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book is

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global death cult and

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it goes into for example the priest then

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takes the crystal repeats the same

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phrase three times the couple engage in

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sexual magic

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and are instructed to visualize a whole

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opening in the space above them

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with energy from the stargate flowing

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down encompassing them

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drawing this energy into the crystal the

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couple buries it into the hill and chant

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in latin

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i'll i'll murder it so i'll just say it

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in english let the earth bring forth

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lucifer and it goes on to

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note that lucifer is prometheus and the

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bringer of light

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but holy cow my man i mean i could keep

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reading but

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you know the occult workings and rituals

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that these guys are

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involved in is wild yeah

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it's crazy i mean i i don't think it's a

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huge group but i think that

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they're pretty extreme and i think that

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if you read the book i think their

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position is is that they are extreme

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and that's the scariest part i mean some

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of the ceremonial rituals involve

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sacrifice they take it really seriously

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and the sacrifices are

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usually to the prince of darkness or his

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bride

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and they proclaim human sacrifice as

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powerful magic now

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what's really scary is the global

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membership is estimated at around 2000

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is that right

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i think so that's what other people have

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guessed i mean it's a guesstimation

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because it's hard to get somebody to

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tell you what's going on inside but

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that's what other researchers have

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determined but also

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this idea is they don't even not

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necessarily have to be a member of the

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ona they could just be an individual who

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believes

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in everything the ona puts out so and

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not actually join the group

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so the total influence is is

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i don't know i don't know what that is

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but i think in the book i showed that it

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has surfaced recently so all you know

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these cases of

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william von new to jim this murderers

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and things like that that

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it's you know it's becoming more

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predominant

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yeah and i mean i thought you knocked it

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out of the park with the smiley face

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killers that was like in my opinion holy

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i didn't know how anybody could ever do

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anything better than that and then

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this is like a one-two punch um

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the i'd like to get into some of the

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strange

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aspects of the order of nine angles

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specifically the belief that they are a

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new type or a new breed of human being

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and sinister tribes and they have the

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drac is another wild one yeah there's a

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lot of kind of different elements i

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think that their view at least as if

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they are homo galacticus

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so that's a new man it's kind of a play

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on kind of like the nazi new man

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but they are going to go to the stars

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and then people holding them back

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are like the homo ubrioti or the

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mundanes

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and they you have a right to call them

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are people preventing the evolution of

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man so

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i think that the ona is part of it has

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this kind of evolutionary function

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that i think that the the nazis had and

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i think that the nazi influence in this

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group i think is

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important an important aspect of the

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group because i think that they see

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themselves as engines of evolution

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and they are the highest evolutionary

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and everybody else is

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mundane or just not fit for the future

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it is so freaky and you know uh just all

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things being what they are i try to stay

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even keel politically as

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is as close to the middle as possible

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but i tend to lean

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you know a little bit to the right

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occasionally conservatively and

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you know this was a real eye-opener that

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you know i didn't know that groups like

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this existed first of all and that's why

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i think it's a must read for everyone

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but you know it's kind of funny the

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people that it ensnares and how

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quickly it can just grab their lives

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there's another kind of going off what

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you were mentioning

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um the black magic that's really freaky

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and where it goes into the dark gods if

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i can read another quick passage just to

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yeah please

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okay um according to tradition the dark

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gods are waiting in what may

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be described as a parallel universe they

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earth and thus our spatial causal

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and the two universes may be represented

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as being joined by

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various stargates or more accurately

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nexions

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and i mean wow interdimensionality and

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neo-nazism

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somehow packaged and sold to the masses

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right yeah no it's incredible so i think

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that's really kind of the nine angles is

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there's the human gate

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and then the dark gods gate or the gate

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of the gods and that's part of the

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ankles goes through the

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the planets and then they're supposed to

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draw these dark energies down into the

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world so

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uh i think you know they they make their

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view is that these are the old kind of

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sumerian gods

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back from the beginning of kind of human

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history going back to sumer

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pre-babylonian wow

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i mean and the the people are very

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intelligent that are drawn into this

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which is like i was so blown away it's

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it's you can't it's it's just something

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in the book i just

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i still can't get my mind around

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is the autumn autumn waffen division

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which yeah i mean can we talk about the

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images they use

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and some of the crimes they committed

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these i mean these guys mean business

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yeah no it's very serious and i think

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that there's that's why i kind of titled

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it to slaughter the innocence because a

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lot of people have died

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we don't know the totality of the crimes

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of the o a i know what i have in the

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book

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but their whole view is to commit crimes

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and not get caught

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and that's kind of like how this

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this ideology came out from the uk and

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permeates now at least in part the adam

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waffen division which was really

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fairly recently started 2015 and then

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these guys die these two himmelman and

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onashuk and then

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a kid here who was a affiliated adam

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waffen guy's name was woodward who's

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still in jail in orange california

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took a guy out at night a young man by

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the name of blaise bernstein stabbed him

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20 times

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buried him in a shallow grave probably a

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racially motivated

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um murder and then another guy giampo

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who killed his girlfriend's parents so

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they were innocent too

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but they were concerned that their

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daughter was with the kind of

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post-hitler post-cruelly kind of

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neo-nazi and their concerns were correct

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because they ended up getting killed

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and then giampa tried to kill himself

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but i think he's still alive

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so he's still being trapped so these are

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all fairly recent crimes and

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one of the things that kind of struck me

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about adam often as you can see some of

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these other guys is that

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the ideology of the ona has in part

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influence in my opinion adam often i

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think i showed that in the book

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that these guys are trying to fulfill

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this

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notion that ona has of insight roles

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where you kind of join either the

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military

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or hyper aggressive islam

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and learn from that experience so you

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see the two to the two members

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in that part of the book uh russell

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and devon arthurs one became a far-right

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islamist and then the other one was

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joining the

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national guard so you can see this this

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kind of attempt

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to infiltrate and get training that the

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ona doctrines would

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encourage people to do and actually if

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you're going through the original

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septenary way or the seven-fold way

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that's one of your things

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is to fulfill an insight rule and uh

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that's kind of one of the strange

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elements of the

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ideology is that it's so much different

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than

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temple

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the church of satan or or even crowley's

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oto so

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he's but they still are very lethal and

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very malevolent

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yeah so so lethal and extreme and i'm

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glad you brought up the the case of

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blaise bernstein i mean

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age 19. it really kind of brought home

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how extreme they went

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he was stabbed in the neck i think and i

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think he said 20 times i mean

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it's crazy and the other story you

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mentioned uh they killed

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where he killed both parents and i

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believe

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yeah later is it not true that the

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autumn waffen division put

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his face on a poster that read love

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conquers all

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yes so they kind of made fun of it and

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they have all these posters and

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elements like that and that seems to be

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one of the elements to join adam often

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is to go on

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kind of a posterizing mission and spread

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adam off and propaganda on college

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campuses that seems to be one of the

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initiatory steps so you'll see a lot of

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their

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and i didn't include them all but

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there's tons of posters of adam waffen

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they have one of the head of youtube

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hanging from a rope i mean really

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aggressive uh stuff so

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was it well jokey because they kicked

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she kicked them off of

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youtube and then they got kicked out of

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bit shoot so they've been kicked out of

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a variety of things but they're

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supposedly disbanded now

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they're some of those some of those guys

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are still around so they may just go by

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a different name now

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and uh yeah adam waffen's really an

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aggressive group of people and

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their utopia is somebody else else's

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post-apocalyptic nightmare so

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they really want this kind of brace war

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and

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hyper violent at least that's what it's

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in their

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relationship and you can see that in the

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book

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what they're talking about you know um

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how like they're talking about

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putting bodies and big masquerades and

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things like that so

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a very dangerous group of people yeah

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and they

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they also it seems to me that

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you could almost write some some of

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these individuals that are

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you you could write books about each

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individual i mean

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david maya holy cow i started re you

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start to like the guy as you're reading

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about him at first

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just because he's so genius and

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intelligent but then the extremes that

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he goes

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and i'm glad that you mentioned the

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temple of set and some of those strange

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communications

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can you explain to the listeners the

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strange communications and all of the

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aliases that he would use

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right so david maya was really probably

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at least the front for

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the group and he's either writing

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everything under a variety of eyeless

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aliases so it'd be david meyer steven

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brown

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anton long but he has claimed that he

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was a front for 12 other people writing

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for the group and now their output is

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massive so even at the very beginning

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they were putting out these little

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manuscripts back in the 70s and 80s

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and uh and it grew into books and then

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influencing things but maya during the

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formulation of order of nine angles

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doctrines

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was in communication with michael aquino

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of the temple upset

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and so these how this communication that

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he wanted with them

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was to indicate that his group was so

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much different than the temple of said

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and he

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doctrines of the temple of said and

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crowley

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and so he's saying what distinguishes my

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group from yours is our attitude towards

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calling

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and so i include that that has a whole

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chapter in the book it's the

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satanic letters of stephen brown but

396
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it's also interesting in those letters

397
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because

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the temple of set members are saying

399
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we've gone

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out to meet you and it's the same person

401
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under different names

402
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so somebody's met david maya and

403
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somebody's met stephen brown

404
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and i think somebody met stephen anton

405
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long and they all look the same

406
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and uh so so there is an issue about

407
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whether

408
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what these pseudonyms are but in my

409
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opinion they're all

410
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i mean david meyer is a very important

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figure um in the o

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and probably it's founder and there's

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and then i'd also have a chapter on some

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of the current heads

415
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so some of these people are still around

416
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and it's it's very scary to think that

417
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this sophisticated very like you said

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very intelligent ideology

419
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and the way just like a chameleon or

420
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actually they use the term shapeshifter

421
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which is so scary

422
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and they believe that they actually

423
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become shape-shifters at least in

424
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ideology but

425
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they really in a very real sense the way

426
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they infiltrate even religion i mean

427
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going to extremes i believe

428
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you know becoming a monk and then like

429
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you i

430
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mentioned before joining the military

431
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just for the

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right and i think my book shows like

433
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some other journalists have looked at

434
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adam waffen or the ona

435
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for kind of a view of the far right

436
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but i look at them as occultists who are

437
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in the far right

438
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and they are definitely infiltrating and

439
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some of these

440
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people are known in the news because

441
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they've been arrested

442
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and thrown in jail or they're under you

443
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know they're being watched by

444
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governments in the uk and the u.s but

445
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:47,519
there's probably others unknown that

446
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,800
really aren't in the public who were

447
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:50,639
members who you just wouldn't know

448
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and that whole shape-shifting thing is

449
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that

450
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and it's i reflected in some of their

451
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their fictional writings which are

452
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really

453
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more of like fables learning fables or

454
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:02,000
learning tales

455
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,600
is that they're supposed to look like

456
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normal ordinary people

457
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:07,040
and that's kind of another element of

458
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,120
the o a ideology that's scary is that

459
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,880
they don't look like a caricature of a

460
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:12,240
satanist like

461
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:16,240
anton levay or or michael aquino who you

462
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,079
could go this guy's odd

463
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:21,360
but they're encouraged just to fit in

464
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,720
and not really be obviously noticeable

465
00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,480
so they have this idea of shape shifting

466
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,560
trenching so there's a lot of like old

467
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:29,759
english terms

468
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:33,040
or concepts that go into this group and

469
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:36,160
uh yeah it's it's pretty remarkable that

470
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:37,759
they've really kind of

471
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,959
been under the radar i think for decades

472
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,040
and there's been some comments about

473
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,360
them but i don't think the totality

474
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of their ideology was really accessible

475
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,880
until the internet probably mid 90s and

476
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:53,040
it's slowly kind of being compiled but i

477
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:54,720
i think like i said i don't think that

478
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they're a huge group but

479
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i think that the people who are the

480
00:17:03,350 --> 00:16:59,920
adherents are very

481
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,360
lethal and dangerous people yeah they

482
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:05,039
seem to be getting a lot more done

483
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,079
per person than other groups and i mean

484
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,360
like instantly and uh

485
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those fables that you discuss the

486
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writings

487
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they're so creepy of how they

488
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how you go about targeting somebody for

489
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culling which is basically sacrifice or

490
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killing

491
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and how it seems in almost all the

492
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fables there is at least a mention

493
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of the character or the person

494
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doing the crime feeling like they become

495
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something subhuman and and the witnesses

496
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notice something that's not human as

497
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well which i thought was just eerie

498
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,000
right so i think that that's really it

499
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is they're presencing these dark forces

500
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so they're encouraged to presence the

501
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dark forces

502
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at night and almost all of those tales

503
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happen at night the one that i included

504
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was lurker of the night

505
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where a guy gets on a motorcycle travels

506
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to another city

507
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commits a crime and then leaves and

508
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,360
tried and the whole thing is about

509
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,720
committing a crime and not being

510
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,880
detected so

511
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yeah it's it's very creepy and uh it's

512
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very different it's almost druidic

513
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in in their outlook where they're at

514
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night one of their

515
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steps in their thing is to go out into

516
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the forest and lie down from sundown to

517
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sunset

518
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so it's almost like they're presencing

519
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that creepy

520
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,960
element of a forest or light if you've

521
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:26,400
ever gone hiking or something like that

522
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when it's nighttime

523
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,240
there's all kinds of noises the force

524
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that's alive at night

525
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and i think that that is something this

526
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kind of

527
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druidic ancient forest element

528
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is suffused in in these members ideas

529
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where

530
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,799
they're very comfortable and you'll see

531
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pictures of some of these people in all

532
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,799
black outfits in the forest

533
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,559
you know and and i have a lot there's a

534
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,400
lot of pictures that i didn't put in

535
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and that's like their concept of the

536
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noctualian and octulius is a bat

537
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:57,360
so there's actually pictures of ona

538
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,880
and uh autumn waffen members holding

539
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,120
flags with the ona

540
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,360
bat symbol the noctulian symbol so they

541
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,880
identify

542
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,039
with this kind of thing that flies and

543
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,679
sees at night

544
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:14,799
yeah and the fervent belief in this

545
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:18,559
is just unreal uh the sue van

546
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,160
van arath i'm probably saying that wrong

547
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,480
and the i mean the order of nine

548
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,760
ideology and how

549
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,840
it made her believe she was a sex

550
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,600
goddess with superior intellect

551
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,640
entitled to cull the inferior

552
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:35,120
and can we talk about that case a bit

553
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:35,679
that was

554
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,799
stunning that's an incredible case

555
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,200
because it's fairly recent 2015

556
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:44,160
and she was involved she was uh i think

557
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,720
a thai

558
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:47,440
savannah rap is like as she was asian

559
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,000
and

560
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,480
she was on iron marches on this online

561
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,559
forum that is now defunct but it was for

562
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,799
far right and she was posting on there

563
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,200
and she was writing kind of these weird

564
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,039
kind of fictional stories as well

565
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,720
there's evidence of that

566
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,600
but she met somebody online by the name

567
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,559
of gamble

568
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,640
and they started kind of a relationship

569
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,720
online and they wanted to

570
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:10,400
after their discussions online they

571
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,520
wanted to emulate the columbine massacre

572
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,919
and they idealized these two guys it was

573
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,360
uh

574
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,799
oh i can't remember their names the two

575
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,640
guys from columbine but they wanted to

576
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,600
redo this so

577
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:24,240
they planned a valentine's day massacre

578
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:25,280
at

579
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,520
a um shopping mall in halifax in canada

580
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,600
so she flew from outside she was from

581
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,520
outside chicago she flew from chicago to

582
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,799
halifax

583
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,280
and uh the police were tipped off but

584
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:39,039
she was planning to go see her

585
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,720
online paramour kill his parents

586
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,280
and then go do this slaughter at with

587
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,559
guns and they weren't

588
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,480
luckily they weren't very proficient

589
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,600
with weaponry

590
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,280
but he ended up killing himself his name

591
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,960
was gamble instead of killing his

592
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,240
parents he killed himself

593
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,240
and then she went to jail with another

594
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:57,440
accomplice

595
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:01,280
but uh all of her records online show

596
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,480
her interest in neo-nazi imagery and

597
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,559
occult imagery and like you said

598
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,240
she thought of herself as a sex goddess

599
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,000
she used the term coal

600
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,120
which is kind of specific to the ona and

601
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,640
uh

602
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,720
that she thought that the mundane had to

603
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,840
be cold so

604
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,760
yeah so she had this kind of ideologies

605
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:21,120
now she's in jail for the rest of her

606
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,559
life it looks like

607
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:25,039
and they had enough evidence really to

608
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,840
to and you

609
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,760
i i quote from the court case they had

610
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,960
enough evidence

611
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,880
in all of her chat logs with this guy

612
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:32,799
gamble where they plotted to

613
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,240
commit this massacre wow

614
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,440
and it is like you know my

615
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,760
my favorite chapter and not giving away

616
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,559
too much was

617
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,520
asking the right effing questions and

618
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,320
you know it

619
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,520
it starts getting into the smiley face

620
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,520
possibly being a sign of global

621
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,799
membership

622
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,520
is that first of all it's amazing how

623
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,200
you've connected the dots between

624
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,760
adam waffen order of nine angles and

625
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,760
even the smiley face killers could we go

626
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,280
into some of the connections between

627
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,600
these groups

628
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,000
well you see that kind of moving at

629
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,679
night right so the whole smiley face

630
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,760
phenomenon is young man being out at

631
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,520
bars or something disappearing and being

632
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,880
found in water

633
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,559
and there's always a smiley face

634
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,720
associated with it and the smiley face

635
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,440
seems to be

636
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,720
a permeates a lot of not just other

637
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:24,559
this group but permeates other groups

638
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,080
but one researcher found on this group's

639
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,640
websites the smiley face symbol two of

640
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,120
their

641
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,360
like informational websites so what is

642
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,480
it doing there

643
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,400
and is there a connection between some

644
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,919
of these deaths

645
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,320
and another occult group like i don't

646
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:42,000
have any evidence to that but there's

647
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,559
something

648
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,840
very strange happening and uh it wasn't

649
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,200
just pointed out with me i did two

650
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,720
interviews with igor sarsky and i

651
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,400
include those in the back of the book

652
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,760
so people can read through those or

653
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,440
listen to them online

654
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,799
and there's something very strange and

655
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,400
very underground going on and you can

656
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,000
see that in this book and i don't think

657
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,440
that the government's really

658
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,919
asking the right questions they kind of

659
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,480
have

660
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,679
but

661
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,919
i don't think that this is a dif if

662
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,600
they're there's this is a different type

663
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:11,120
of criminal organization they believe

664
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,240
they're above the law

665
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,919
and i include that segment in i think

666
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:15,600
the fourth chapter where they talk about

667
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,080
hey

668
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,240
we're not subject to any other any other

669
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:19,679
law

670
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,960
so um the real question there's a lot of

671
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,640
questions about what's going on but adam

672
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,320
often too you don't know what these guys

673
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,760
are doing at night they're very skilled

674
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,440
with the dark web and that was something

675
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,520
that people speculated

676
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,120
the smiley face killers or whoever's

677
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,799
doing that are also sophisticated with

678
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480
the dark web

679
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:39,120
and uh have thought out and planned some

680
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,000
stuff and

681
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,400
i think that this book also shows an

682
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,080
insight into

683
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,400
some of this dark literature that really

684
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,919
people don't know much about

685
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,080
but there's enough literature out there

686
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:52,400
for people that should know about

687
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:56,000
and uh yeah there's just very odd

688
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,960
overlapping

689
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,120
elements from this group and some of

690
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:00,559
this other stuff that i've studied such

691
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,840
as the smiley face killer so

692
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,760
um yeah i don't know i don't have a lot

693
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,120
i don't have any evidence other than

694
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,120
what i have included in this book but i

695
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,240
do think that

696
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,039
the government or or homeland security

697
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,880
department of homeland security starts

698
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,159
needs to start asking the right

699
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,080
questions no question

700
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:20,400
yeah because killing seems like this is

701
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,440
just

702
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:24,400
not a big deal to them and you mention

703
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,360
that you know

704
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,480
uh yeah a lot of the criminals covered

705
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,240
in the book have relatively short

706
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:33,200
prison sentences of five years or less

707
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,919
and

708
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,760
prison in my opinion has a tendency to

709
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,919
make people more aggressive or at least

710
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:39,840
solidify as you put it in the book they

711
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,750
right well there's a very famous person

712
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,279
who spent time in prison too his name

713
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,200
was adolf hitler and when he got out it

714
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,320
made him more committed

715
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:53,120
so these guys you know the head of adam

716
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,760
waffen is

717
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,600
is in for a while and some of these

718
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,960
other characters they have very large

719
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,400
short sentences so it's something for

720
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,360
people to be very concerned about

721
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,240
um and these ideas and i think the

722
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:05,360
society right now

723
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,039
really is in a in a hyper

724
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,799
conflicted element where you have the

725
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:12,840
far left and far right

726
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,880
antifa and i don't i don't see a lot of

727
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,799
uh i'm not optimistic about the future

728
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,720
really because

729
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,320
i just don't see these sides coming

730
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,320
together in a kind of

731
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,960
spirit of amity so i would assume that

732
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,640
people i think that people need to

733
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,080
really watch out i mean i think that

734
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,760
this book is really a warning

735
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,840
to parents and to other people that if

736
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,440
your kids are involved in and

737
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,640
the people who they've found to go to

738
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,240
get into these groups are young

739
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,039
impressionable people who get seduced by

740
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,720
it so if you look at like adam often

741
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,080
it's all these guys are very young

742
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,520
teenagers

743
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
college age so and if they have that

744
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,720
kind of lethal mentality people need to

745
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,919
really watch out and the parents of

746
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,960
gianfa's girl

747
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:57,360
girlfriend were concerned but they ended

748
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,240
up getting

749
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,919
murdered i mean they got shocked so and

750
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,279
even the kids

751
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,279
uh these two kids himmelman and

752
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,880
ownership they got involved in adam

753
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
waffen and ended up getting killed but i

754
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,159
don't think their parents really knew

755
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,960
the totality of how deep they were

756
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,679
involved

757
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,880
with adam waffen i think that there's

758
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,440
interviews with the dad of onus chuck

759
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,640
and he just didn't seem to know the

760
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400
symbol they didn't know what his son was

761
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,320
talking about he didn't understand

762
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,640
the references to bark bjerknes or

763
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,039
bursum or some of these far right

764
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,000
pagan satanists really in like norwood

765
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,840
norwegian black metal so

766
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,320
he didn't quite get how deep his son was

767
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,840
involved and then it was too late and i

768
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,400
think

769
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,120
there was a his name was piccolini who

770
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,799
was a nazi and got out he said

771
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,320
these kids didn't have time to become

772
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,840
better men they were young

773
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:45,840
and impressionable so they didn't have a

774
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,120
time to get out of these very dark

775
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,960
dark environments that really that's

776
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:53,120
just a disaster i mean nazism is a

777
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,000
disaster for

778
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,919
people who are involved in it and people

779
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,559
who

780
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:01,840
are victims of it and so it's really

781
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,440
a shame to think that these ideas are

782
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:08,000
still out there after world war ii but i

783
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:09,039
think that

784
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:12,559
the

785
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:16,159
think that

786
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,880
really the the scary thing is that it's

787
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,640
not something where

788
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:25,200
you know people are talking about basket

789
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:26,320
weaving or something they're talking

790
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,279
about calling people

791
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,039
really lethal ideas so people really

792
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,960
need to be afraid and be concerned

793
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,520
really concerned about what's happening

794
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,039
the parents of blaise bernstein are

795
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,200
another example they had no idea what

796
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,880
happened to their son they didn't know

797
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,720
that their son could be caught up in

798
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,760
this

799
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,960
very lethal racism and uh he had a whole

800
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:46,880
life ahead of him he's a talented guy

801
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,159
kid with a future he went to

802
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,039
university of pennsylvania so he had

803
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,640
opportunities on horizon that he'll

804
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,080
never ever reach because somebody

805
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,720
stabbed him 20 times in a park over

806
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,679
these crazed ideologies and the question

807
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,679
i ask is like is is woodward

808
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,760
is woodward trying was that his kill was

809
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:06,880
that a coal

810
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,760
was that something that he did to go up

811
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,960
some kind of

812
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,720
ladder and occult i don't know but i

813
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,919
don't think anybody's asked that

814
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,559
question

815
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,640
and the other thing is is that he hasn't

816
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,679
even been tried yet

817
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,200
the trial is still there so these are

818
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,880
very current events too i think i've

819
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,720
stated that before but yeah

820
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,919
so yeah the current

821
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:28,480
the the current nature of it is makes i

822
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,960
think

823
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,240
it's very relevant and the

824
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,520
the i'm glad you brought up the

825
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,679
norwegian death metal because

826
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:38,000
it really is as the title suggests a

827
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,799
global

828
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,200
death cult looking at all of the

829
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,640
countries

830
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,120
i mean it's it's unbelievable that it's

831
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,000
it seems like it's everywhere

832
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,520
well if you look at that section of the

833
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,679
nexians right so they call it an axion

834
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,799
somebody else would call it something

835
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,320
else but these little groups are

836
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,559
interspersed and their presence is on

837
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:58,000
the internet so you can tell

838
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,360
that they're there i don't know the

839
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,440
totality of how big these groups are

840
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,120
but there was a there's kind of like a

841
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,960
cult watcher in serbia saying hey

842
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,799
there's a dangerous group in our country

843
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,200
you got to really watch her out and so i

844
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,880
tried to include as many as there are

845
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,559
there that may be defunct there's all

846
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,919
kinds of way back machines

847
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,679
that show these groups like the temple

848
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,279
of blood was active and now not

849
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,399
active so it's hard to really ascertain

850
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,919
as me as just an independent

851
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,600
investigative journalist to

852
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,559
the totality but the the the evidence is

853
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,760
there that these

854
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,480
cells that are designed the idea of

855
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,960
these cells is designed by ona founders

856
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,679
are extant and operating and there's

857
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,799
like there was a

858
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,320
something happened in russia where this

859
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,159
kid was it got on a literature and

860
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,840
burned down a church so

861
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
um that's what those guys were doing in

862
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,880
norway they were burning churches and

863
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,760
stuff like that

864
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,960
ancient churches so uh really dangerous

865
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,240
like worldwide

866
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,840
phenomenon these people are in contact

867
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:53,200
with each other you can tell that

868
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,080
they're

869
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,679
reading each other you know different

870
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,039
nations they're reading each other's

871
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,720
material and they have links to each

872
00:30:03,350 --> 00:29:59,760
other in different

873
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,360
countries and uh yeah it's it's really

874
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,720
crazy and the way that this

875
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:09,120
it seems like it's working on various

876
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:09,760
levels

877
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,960
i think the the way that the occult

878
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,919
comes in wait i mean that just knocked

879
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,520
me off my seat with

880
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,440
especially with the david my i'm sorry

881
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:20,799
the mayat section

882
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,799
and it's like you know it seems like he

883
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,039
reached for just about everything

884
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,720
including crowley which you've

885
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:31,919
studied significantly and

886
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:35,520
took a lot from everyone and kind of

887
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:39,760
in in my opinion sort of made his own

888
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,200
religion yeah no i totally agree with

889
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,240
him

890
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,480
yeah it's somebody of high intelligence

891
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,679
and if you look at some of the

892
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,760
literature the early literature

893
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,679
of the ona they had references to

894
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,440
crowley that they've taken out

895
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,200
so they've passed through and i think i

896
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,960
show in that first chapter about my that

897
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,240
he was in a philemic

898
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,360
organization so he had he had absorbed

899
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,559
crowley and there's

900
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,760
manuscripts where he's clearly analyzed

901
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:06,720
the book of the law

902
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,200
he ties it to nietzsche and

903
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,559
so yeah i think that that's what's

904
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,159
really scary there's other ideas within

905
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,159
the ona a lot of

906
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:18,559
interesting psychological understanding

907
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,360
deeper

908
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,840
jungian ideas and i think that the

909
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:24,080
psychological impact of this doc

910
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,679
ideology on people is very uh

911
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,000
profound but also very malevolent and i

912
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,840
think that they really are

913
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,720
searching for like weeding out and truly

914
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:35,840
trying to find smart

915
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,960
lethal people and uh yeah

916
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,279
it's uh it really is incredible this

917
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:42,720
occult element this cult

918
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,320
esoteric nazism or cult nazism

919
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,559
that uh really starts with might and

920
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,320
kind of goes through like they have they

921
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,799
they still record all that stuff eurofi

922
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:53,919
in the birth of

923
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,440
hitler 1889. so their their time is this

924
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,600
their view of hitler is like as an

925
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,640
avatar

926
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:03,120
not as an antichrist so hitler is if

927
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:04,159
that's your

928
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,120
hero there's real problems i mean

929
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,960
just the millions of people who died

930
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,200
under that whole regime

931
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,600
were is just an atrocity i mean

932
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,640
holocaust

933
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:19,039
one-eighth of the russian population

934
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,240
died

935
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,399
one-fourth were injured in the war and

936
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
the nazis were just going to kill off

937
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,919
the polls they were just taking their

938
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,480
time

939
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,159
if that war would have continued another

940
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,679
10 years there would be no polish people

941
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,799
left they were going to kill them all

942
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:31,679
off

943
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,519
so that attitude is

944
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,509
and i i found it interesting somebody i

945
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,679
had to mention was james mason

946
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,039
this unassuming neo-nazi who wanted to

947
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,279
destroy the system and was living off of

948
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,279
public assistance and eating in denver

949
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:54,799
soup kitchens i i mean it seems so wild

950
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,360
that these

951
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,000
and and they write astounding books that

952
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,880
are just gobbled up by the believers

953
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,240
yeah so his with siege

954
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,200
he actually took that title from the

955
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,799
weatherman so a far left

956
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,039
group that was doing bombings so his

957
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:13,120
view was also they need to do their

958
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,000
siege

959
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,840
against the system as well not from the

960
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,559
far right and a lot of these guys in

961
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,679
animal often really admire them it

962
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,640
became required

963
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,440
reading for some of these people to read

964
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,000
siege which

965
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,039
was which was super racist and

966
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,919
when you really read siege you see his

967
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,240
an

968
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:33,519
admiration for these nazis serial

969
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:34,080
killers

970
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,240
people and i include them in the book

971
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,159
uh spiezak who a lot of people don't

972
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,600
know about

973
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,159
and uh who else is the one guy his name

974
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,000
was reynolds who he knew

975
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:48,240
so he knows these people in the nazi

976
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,279
movement

977
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,039
and i think it's important for people to

978
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,799
understand because that's the way these

979
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,799
guys are thinking is that

980
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,799
hey these you know these guys are doing

981
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:58,720
it right the other was james vaughn

982
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,320
paul joseph franklin who he knew and uh

983
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,600
who shot vernon jordan he was friends

984
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,039
with bill clinton

985
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,000
and uh all these other yeah what would

986
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,760
the other guy the uh

987
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,760
larry flint she shot larry flint so this

988
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,760
was a kind of neo-nazi serial killer

989
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,760
traveling around killing people

990
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,879
and uh those are those are that's their

991
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:23,200
ideal and then fred cowan was a nazi

992
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,839
killer

993
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,960
so these are people that he's

994
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,960
referencing and and

995
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,839
and of all people uh charles manson so

996
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:31,200
he's in communication with charles

997
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:31,919
manson

998
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,359
and adam waffen is going to this cave in

999
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,560
nevada to do like things like manson did

1000
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,359
and uh so it's just really remarkable

1001
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,560
what these guys are reading and what

1002
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,800
they're thinking

1003
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,639
and like you said the posters the

1004
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,320
propaganda is so

1005
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,720
you it's just so mind-blowing i can't it

1006
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,399
it's it's hard it's it's something

1007
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,879
everybody really has to like the book is

1008
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,720
a must read in my opinion i think you've

1009
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,560
taken a very difficult

1010
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:01,760
difficult topic and it even though it's

1011
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,270
it's happening you know it's

1012
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,119
metastasizing it's out there

1013
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,560
there's more numeral kids on the

1014
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,560
internet so people need to really be

1015
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,160
afraid and be careful there's a lot of

1016
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,079
stories in there of these like

1017
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,560
satanist soldiers satanist right wingers

1018
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,240
i included this one guy smith

1019
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,599
a lot of people don't know about william

1020
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,680
jared smith the base

1021
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,599
where they did some blot ritual and cut

1022
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,520
off the head of a goat

1023
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,119
and they were talking about killing

1024
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,640
antifa members and stuff like that

1025
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:32,160
before they got arrested so these were

1026
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,560
huge

1027
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,320
there's a lot of people who got arrested

1028
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,000
and i don't think the media

1029
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,480
really captured the totality of it of

1030
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:40,640
how many of these guys got

1031
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:44,400
got put in jail um but

1032
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,920
yeah i think i think that anybody

1033
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,599
i mean i think that this is this is

1034
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,599
something that's gonna be a problem in

1035
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,599
the us for the at least the next 25

1036
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,280
years as these guys are young

1037
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:58,160
they're all in their 20s and uh who

1038
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,480
knows

1039
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,560
who they're going to find in jail and

1040
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:02,320
who they're going to find

1041
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,230
it's really uh it's really perilous

1042
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,960
times i really i'm not optimistic

1043
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,680
and it seems like only the extreme ones

1044
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,640
are getting caught

1045
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,440
i i could see how easy it would be as

1046
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,720
the literature says

1047
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,200
to just seep between the cracks and be

1048
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,960
be that mortar between the bricks and

1049
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:23,680
get

1050
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,560
enforcement or the clergy

1051
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,119
or all these all these various creepy

1052
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,560
methods of of getting

1053
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,280
information and man i think you just

1054
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,280
tackled a very difficult subject and did

1055
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,200
so with relentless integrity in my

1056
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,000
opinion

1057
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,440
i thought you put i thought you pulled

1058
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,680
off the impossible um

1059
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,520
connecting the dots with the smiley face

1060
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,960
killers but

1061
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,680
these 09a or the order of nine angle the

1062
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,400
connections

1063
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:53,200
are beyond amazing their next level epic

1064
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,160
contribution

1065
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,720
everyone should definitely uh read it

1066
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,320
just because it reminds us

1067
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,640
of the true nature and the true evil

1068
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,599
that actually still exists in the world

1069
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,839
oh thanks i appreciate it it's got 482

1070
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,440
footnotes so everything's referenced

1071
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,160
it's not like i did anything fictional

1072
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,160
it's all non-fiction it's all just from

1073
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:14,560
other sources and their own writings

1074
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,680
give them away so um i do

1075
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,520
recommend people i mean i think i'm

1076
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,680
pleased with this and i do think that

1077
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,000
this

1078
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,560
is out there it's hard to believe that

1079
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,839
people would want to go back to nazism

1080
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,640
so it's just these people are really

1081
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,760
misguided and really

1082
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,520
lethal i think they're very dangerous

1083
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,280
people so you gotta really watch out

1084
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,960
if these people are out there i don't

1085
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,119
think there's a whole one but some of

1086
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,560
these people who ended up dead

1087
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,320
didn't know you know this poor kid

1088
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:44,560
blamed blaze burdens time the parents of

1089
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,079
gianpa killed so i think that it's okay

1090
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,760
it's definitely i think this book uh

1091
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,880
functions as a warning

1092
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,680
don't let it happen to you your family

1093
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,119
your children

1094
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,280
yeah because it happens so swiftly you

1095
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,280
can't say oh this is just a phase it

1096
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:01,040
seems like by the time the phase starts

1097
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,400
if you don't nip it in the bud it's

1098
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:03,839
going to immediately turn

1099
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,520
into this crazy thing that exists now

1100
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,200
in the world i guess it always has and

1101
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,640
it's just true evil

1102
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,760
um where can for our listeners where's

1103
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:15,520
the best place to purchase the book i

1104
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,079
ordered

1105
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,240
i mean it's i wish i could order it for

1106
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,599
other people it's that good

1107
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,119
where can they pick it up and where can

1108
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,280
they keep up with everything that you're

1109
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,119
doing

1110
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,440
well i do post i kind of got rid of

1111
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,560
facebook and twitter

1112
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,839
you can find the book on my website

1113
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,040
williamramseyinvestigates.com

1114
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,000
and you can buy it on amazon it should

1115
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,760
be available worldwide i've got some

1116
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,760
good reviews so far

1117
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,480
and uh i'm trying to post a lot more on

1118
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,240
my patreon page under william ramsey

1119
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,760
investigates so people want to go there

1120
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,040
they can see some of the stuff that

1121
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,040
didn't make it in the book there's a lot

1122
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,800
that didn't make it into the book just

1123
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for time you know

1124
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,800
time and space but i learned a lot about

1125
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,560
the far right but i do think

1126
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,640
that this version of the far right ona

1127
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:00,079
is very important to people to

1128
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,040
understand and

1129
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,440
uh you want to see what's coming over

1130
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,280
the horizon i think and this is

1131
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,160
this might be one of those things so

1132
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,160
much information and like you said also

1133
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,599
well documented i can't

1134
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,240
uh thank you enough for writing the book

1135
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,280
the contribution

1136
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,599
and making the time to chat with me and

1137
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,200
tell others about it

1138
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,680
uh i hope to talk to you again i hope in

1139
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,960
the future and i hope everything's good

1140
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:26,000
for you thanks for coming on william

1141
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,359
thanks thanks man it's great to be with

1142
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:30,400
you again take care man oh man he comes

1143
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,800
through

1144
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,880
every time if you have not checked out

1145
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,400
the smiley face killers

1146
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,839
it was mind-blowing and with

1147
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,320
the global death cult this is a one-two

1148
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,000
punch especially with possible

1149
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:45,119
connections both of these are things

1150
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,079
that uh

1151
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,079
he has tackled as an investigative

1152
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,480
journalist and i think he has just

1153
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,720
reminded us all that there's true evil

1154
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,680
out there and the

1155
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:56,079
the lengths that they're willing to go

1156
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,040
is is beyond

1157
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,839
anything i can wrap my head around uh i

1158
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,480
can't

1159
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i'm just honored that he came on

1160
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,240
definitely recommend getting the book

1161
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,440
it's on kindle

1162
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:08,160
and it is uh offered in traditional

1163
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,040
style and

1164
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,040
i got mine off amazon i got both they're

1165
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,440
awesome highly recommend it and until

1166
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:15,200
next time guys keep your eyes to the

1167
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,000
skies

1168
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feet on the ground but don't forget to